Arrow and The Flash organise a superhero Fight Club

Arrow and The Flash have been building up quite a roster of superheroes (and supervillains) over their runs – to the extent that a spin-off featuring a whole bevy of those characters is already in the works. Now, as a promo for both series, the producers of the show have put together a sort of ‘What if’ Fight Club featuring most of them. So brace yourself to see what would happen if Arrow, Black Canary, Arsenal, The Flash, Atom, Ra’s Al Ghul, the Dark Archer, Reverse Flash, Firestorm, Captain Cold and Heat Wave all ended up in a fight. I’m not convinced by some of the results, but hey, it’s only make-believe, right?


  • JustStark

    It's very dark. Is it that difficult to make out what's happening in the actual programmes?

    I assume the way you can't see anybody's faces means they didn't bother getting the actual actors in for most of it, just used the stunt double.

  • Well, it might be just the gamma setting on your monitor, but yet, they're quite dark, which is often to cover up the fact the budget isn't high and everything is happening on a soundstage somewhere in Canada (a technique pioneered on Smallville).

    It's also a function of vigilante superheroes, who not only need to sneak around at night to fight criminals who come out a night but who look a bit daft in their costumes in the cold light of day.

    With Arrow, it's also tonal, since it's quite a dark show, although the lighting never gets as low as it does on the even darker Daredevil; by contrast, The Flash seems to have more scenes in daylight and that are well lit, since it's more fun and lighter as a show.

    As for not seeing faces, that's something that the hoods and masks are trying to stop in-story because they have secret identities (well, semi-secret these days…). But even in this, you should be able to see their faces at some points.

    Which faces you get to see during fights often depends on the actor, though, as Stephen Amell is actually very good at stunts, whereas Katie Cassidy isn't. Unlike Caty Lotz:

    As for the promo, I imagine that they had a certain amount of time for it, they could get the actors to turn up for it, but the additional choreography time needed might have been something only some stunt doubles could commit to.

  • JustStark

    As for the promo, I imagine that they had a certain amount of time for it, they could get the actors to turn up for it

    Oh yes, clearly if you're doing a promo you don't pull the actors away from their already-full (and expensive) schedule; you film it on a separate set with the stunt doubles and grab a couple of close-ups of the real actors in between takes against a neutral background, saying lines out of context, and then edit it together (and making it dark helps with matching the backgrounds too).

    I was just amused by quite how blatant it was that that was what they'd done.

    A bit like how Atlantis couldn't have made it more obvious that all Juliet Stephenson's lines were filmed in one day, and mostly without the other actors, if they'd tried.

  • I think it might be your monitor, TBH.

    While there are a few scenes where it's obviously stunt people doing the fights, there are an awful lot where you can see the actors, including fight scenes, and not just individually but with others, particularly in the final, pre-Routh scene where you have the super-villains all together in the lift, for example.

    Victor Garber and Robbie Amell could have been shot separately from the rest (they've not been in The Flash recently, so I imagine they'd have been shot relatively early in the series schedule, unless they're coming back again soon), and it doesn't look like they got Colton Haynes (and perhaps not even Katie Cassidy at all). But even the Barrowman is there at the end.

    So I think credit largely where credit's due on this one.

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