• benjitek

    Like their writers can't write. Hopefully it'll pick up in future episodes, but time travel is a big undertaking, and episode 1 of season 3 was a major fail.

    Why on earth would they devote an entire episode to escaping a timeline only to go to another where everything is the same except that the 'secret society' people don't recall meeting Kira. Dumb. So far, season 1 was the only good one — found myself fast-forwarding through much of season 2; and season 3 doesn't look promising 🙁

  • Mark Carroll

    Ouch. I've seen only season one so far.

  • I'm not sure that's exactly what was going on, but I can't say anything without spoilering, so it'll have to wait until Friday 😉

  • JonBrad

    I suspect you were fast forwarding though most of the Season Three premiere as well. PLENTY of stuff was different by the end of it due to Alec's changing of the past.

    Look, if you wish the show went back to being about Kiera stopping Liber8 week in and week out that's fine. Maybe the show isn't for you anymore. That doesn't mean the writer's can't write. They simply decided to expand the scope of what the show is about.

  • benjitek

    …if by 'expand-the-scope' you mean shoot the plot full of holes, they've succeeded 😉

  • Bluefish

    I dont know what are you talking about!!… it is about more than Kiera following Liber 8… if you have realky follow the story you will notice that fuure Alec is evil and with corporation.. people have been voting only in favor of Liber 8 and their ideals.. they needed somwthing drastic to be able to change the audience point of view of things to follow the story.. if somehing they are doing it in an amazing way!!!

  • benjitek

    Just saw it — the series has definitely been SyFy'd, the genre's equivalent of an egging 😉

  • It feels like it's getting back on track after the second season, but is having to put the foundation work in first.

  • benjitek

    It went off the rails last season after SyFy took the wheel. As an independent production during season 1, it was great.

    Season 2 became more concerned with hair & makeup than good storytelling or the genre of SciFi 🙁

  • It was not so much an independent production as a Showcase/Canadian-only sci-fi show. Showcase is quite a big channel by Canadian standards. But the more co-production partners you have, the less quirky you can be and I think that's what affected season 2.

    Still, while season 2 went off track a bit, it feels like the first two episodes of season 3 have essentially been about ditching all the things that went wrong with season 2, including removing the freelances and reunifying Liber8 so that we potentially have things carrying on from where season 1 left them. And I quite like the dual time stream aspect of the show so far, which reminds me of season 2 of Witchblade, where you'd essentially already seen everything laid out but got a different view on relationships, plot developments as events went in a different direction.

    I may be wrong, but it feels like a course correction.

  • benjitek

    Initially it was Showcase-only, but they didn't make it — they bought 10 episodes from Reunion Pictures (with a couple other partner companies) after it was successfully pitched to them by Pat Williams, a director-friend of Simon Barry who had a pitch meeting but no ideas, Simon asked him to pitch Continuum. They went forward with a script request and the rest is history 😉

    Showcase gave them free-reign with most everything, however, that all changed once SyFy wanted in, providing lots of funding for season 2, and by the way season 2 played out — that funding came with strings attached.

  • I think we're just quibbling about terminology now 😉

    An independent production would be one where the show had been made first and then sold to distributors/networks or self-distributed, so technically Continuum isn't independent. But I know what you mean.

  • JustStark

    An independent production would be one where the show had been made
    first and then sold to distributors/networks or self-distributed

    That seems a quite exacting definition: it would mean that no commissioned programme could be classed as an independent production. Whereas things like Spooks, Hustle, and Ashes to Ashes are generally called independent productions, aren't they (as opposed to in-house productions like Casualty and Doctor Who).

  • There are independent production companies – that is, they're not owned by the networks that commission them. But if you class anything made by an independent production company as an 'independent production' then more or less anything on any commercial network is an independent production. At that point, there's not much point describing something as an independent production if you mean that it hasn't been altered to suit the demands of the network.

  • JustStark

    At that point, there's not much point describing something as an
    independent production if you mean that it hasn't been altered to suit
    the demands of the network

    Ah — I thought 'independent production' was to do with the economics, to differentiate self-produced content (which will be wholly owned by the channel, so, for example, they will get money from foreign sales, mechanising, etc — what Doctor Who is for the BBC, or Law & Order for NBC) from bought-in content (which you only have the first-transmission rights for, and which the external production company is then free to sell abroad, or mechanise, on its own terms).

    That seems to me the only sense of 'independent production' which makes actual sense. I mean, obviously any programme is going to be 'altered to suit the demands of the network' — even if the entire series has been shot before the rights are sold, a channel still might ask for editing changes before they actually pay for it. So using it to mean 'not altered to suit the demands of the channel', rather than to refer to the ownership of the rights, is just silly.

  • Ah, PACT would love you. http://www.pact.co.uk/campaign

  • JustStark

    I just like to get my definitions right. Call it a legacy of undergraduate philosophy courses.