Question of the week: should the sexist homophobe James Gunn direct Guardians of the Galaxy, now we’ve seen his Internet poll/pole

James Gunn

Guardians of the Galaxy is one of the “Phase 2” Marvel Universe movies coming out before (The) Avengers (Assemble) 2 – the others being Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and Captain America 2. Hand-picked for the job by Joss Whedon, comic book nerd James Gunn will be directing the movie, which sees a lot of outer space superheroes, including a racoon, fighting against evil aliens. Marvel, as we all know, is now owned by Disney.

So there are the base facts. Let’s look at what turned up yesterday. Although it’s been around for about a year now, James Gunn, who has his own blog, created a poll of superheroes he/we/the Internet would like to have sex with. And it’s a bit fruity, misogynistic, homophobic et al. Here are some choice samples (warning: fruity language alert):

1. Wonder Woman
For the second year in a row, Princess Diana is the big winner. It seems like many guys out there are hoping she’ll lasso their penises and make them tell the truth – which is that they want to be inside of Princess Diana!

3. Catwoman
This supervillain turned anti-hero has been making my penis feel funny since I was four years old and saw Julie Newmar playing her on TV. Today she’s as sexy as ever, especially when drawn by the supertalented Adam Hughes (above).

5. Gambit
My girlfriend voted for this Cajun fruit. I think she’s looking to have a devil’s three way with the two of us. The idea of my balls slapping against Gambit’s makes me sick to my stomach, but I can’t deny the fellow’s pure HEAT, as he yet again placed so high on this list, despite being male and in the presence of so many A-listers. Wolverine and Superman may beat him in sales, but it’s who the ladies love that really matters, and Gambit is the Galactus of Cock!

8. The Black Widow
It’s hard to believe the Russian spy who Tony Stark called “sexual napalm” didn’t even rank last year! Natasha Romanova is the highest debut on the list, and, considering she’s fucked half the men in the Marvel Universe, it’s much deserved.

25. Kitty Pryde
@KittyPryde actually wrote me on Twitter after posting the nominees for heroes you most want to have sex with. I wrote her back, but neglected to mention that I wanted to anally do her. I won’t even mind if Lockheed is in the room, staring at me with a creepy look the whole time. Well, okay, I’ll mind a little. But it will be worth it.

32. Batwoman
This lesbian character was voted for almost exclusively by men. I don’t know exactly what that means. But I’m hoping for a Marvel-DC crossover so that Tony Stark can “turn” her. She could also have sex with Nightwing and probably still be technically considered a lesbian.

34. Batgirl – Stephanie Brown
Being a teen mom and all, you know she’s easy. Go for it.

So, erm, yes. And there are worse ones that. Read the Spiderwoman one (number 37) if you want to look in a dark place (I’ve cloaked it so you don’t have to if you don’t want to):

37. Spider-Woman
The whole time I’m fucking her I can’t get her face out of my mind as the skrull leader who tried to conquer the world. I know it’s not her fault, but I just can’t help it. So I finish on her face to help block out the painful memories. There. That’s better. I love you, Jessica.

Some of it’s actually quite funny and pokes fun at the people who answered the poll (“30. X-23 Another debut, and a pretty good choice. Except, uh, isn’t she supposed to be fifteen years old? And after you fictionally fuck her fictional police are going to arrest you and put you in fictional jail for being a very real pedophile.”) but none of this exactly screams “Disney movie director of a fun film with a racoon in it”.

As a result, there have been calls for him to be removed from the project for being a sexist, homophobe who writes a lot about his ‘pole’. So this week’s question is:

Should a man with suspect views about women and other groups direct a family movie featuring superheroines in case they end up being objectified, etc, or should he be allowed to direct the movie on the general grounds that even though he is a git, other people will be ensuring he doesn’t make the movie a thematic repeat of his blog? Or is part of the problem that if you try to find a director who’s also a comic book fan but who isn’t a sexist homophobe, et al, chances are you’re just going to end up with Joss Whedon again? Are there any female directors who love comics out there (there must be, mustn’t there?)

Answers below or on your own blog, please

  • Craig Grannell

    Ugh. Just� ugh.

  • Rullsenberg

    Oh lordy that is depressing. I'd like to say ditch the git; in practice you would HOPE that there would be enough bodies in the way to keep the movie on track with minimal of the excesses of vile misogyny from the blog. And in the absence of Whedon doing everything (and even HE isn't perfect) it must be possible to find some other people to do the job justice? I wish I knew of a female director for this work but I don't.

  • I forgot, incidentally, to mention that James Gunn is also responsible for PG Porn:

    http://www.spike.com/articles/

  • I've not seen this before, but reading some of this without the full context, I will say one thing: I don't think the Gambit one is actually homophobic. He says that the thought of him having sex with a man makes him feel sick, he doesn't say the thought of two men having sex makes him feel sick, or that he disagrees that two men should be having sex.

    'Cajun fruit' is gay slur, I suppose, but I read this more of a xenophobic statement, maybe we can add that to the list of charges.

  • And getting Tony Stark to 'turn' Batwoman?

  • That still isn't actually 'prejudiced' against lesbians, it's more sexist; it's 'I wish she was straight so I could have sex with her' more than 'I wish she was straight 'cause I hate gays'. Although, I'm confused why he used a Marvel character, does Tony Stark have a history of 'turning' lesbians?

    The Nightwing comment is actually the most suspect statement, 'Nightwing's rubbish, Nightwing's gay'.

  • Actually the Nightwing one is sexist: 'Nightwing is rubbish, Nightwing is a girl, girls are rubbish'

  • I think homophobia generally involves more than just hating gay people – literally, it's a fear of the same, so would include being disgusted by homosexuality, for starters (cf Gambit).

    The idea that a lesbian can be turned, which would presumably involve rape initially, given lesbians aren't attracted to men, is pretty anti-gay, don't you think?

    How is cajun being xenophobic, BTW? Cajun is just a term for someone from specific parts of the south of the US. Fruit, of course, is an anti-gay insult, on a par with queer.

    To be scrupulously fair to Gunn, I don't think he's necessarily homophobic, just capable of using homophobic language, judging by the things he writes about some of the other male characters (eg Aquaman). But that's a pretty fine hair to split.

  • With regards to the possible xenophobia, it just read to me like he considered the french accent to sound 'fruity'.

    I'm obviously being rather naive when understanding the techniques of 'turning', as I hadn't considered rape as a tool. It's more traditionally shown as a man 'understanding women's feelings, and winning them over'. This idea in itself is rather suspect as it implies the woman isn't actually gay.

    Remind me never to watch an extended cut of Chasing Amy save it include the missing Straw Dogs scene. 😉

  • Nah. In the US, fruit means gay and a 'fruity' fancy accent means an effete meaning gay accent:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com

    The idea of 'turning' lesbians, even in the winning them over sense, generally isn't well regarded by lesbians because a lot of men have raped lesbians trying to turn them (or punish them for being lesbians) over the years. It's euphemistically called 'corrective rape':

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C

    And I don't know about traditionally, but James Bond, for example, 'turns' Pussy Galore and it ain't pretty:

    http://io9.com/5086230/5-thing

  • Nah. In the US, fruit means gay and a 'fruity' fancy accent means an effete meaning gay accent:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com

    The idea of 'turning' lesbians, even in the winning them over sense, generally isn't well regarded by lesbians because a lot of men have raped lesbians trying to turn them (or punish them for being lesbians) over the years. It's euphemistically called 'corrective rape':

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C

    And I don't know about traditionally, but James Bond, for example, 'turns' Pussy Galore and it ain't pretty:

    http://io9.com/5086230/5-thing

  • To clarify, I know he uses 'fruit' to mean gay but American's do have a certain view on the French.

  • To clarify, I know he uses 'fruit' to mean gay but American's do have a certain view on the French.

  • Mark Carroll

    I really don't much care what people do or voice in a personal sphere from the point of view of what they should be engaged to do professionally, so long as it's plausible that they can keep them apart. Similarly, at work I often have to do things in ways that I wouldn't personally choose to, but I still try to do a good job of them anyway. Sure, one can come up with shocking thought experiments arguing against my view, and I am not sure if the concern is that this guy wouldn't be capable of thinking differently enough to do his job well or if we're just not ostracising him enough for voicing such thoughts, but on the former I'd want to be open-minded and I guess that, while he's not a shining example of diversity to celebrate, on the latter I worry that society can be a bit too keen to frown on the socially incorrect.

    Having said all that, I don't see that there'd be anything wrong with pointing out to him that coming across as if he sees women first and foremost as something to have sex with does rather suggest an unpleasant, selfish emptiness that isn't very endearing.

  • Mark Carroll

    I really don't much care what people do or voice in a personal sphere from the point of view of what they should be engaged to do professionally, so long as it's plausible that they can keep them apart. Similarly, at work I often have to do things in ways that I wouldn't personally choose to, but I still try to do a good job of them anyway. Sure, one can come up with shocking thought experiments arguing against my view, and I am not sure if the concern is that this guy wouldn't be capable of thinking differently enough to do his job well or if we're just not ostracising him enough for voicing such thoughts, but on the former I'd want to be open-minded and I guess that, while he's not a shining example of diversity to celebrate, on the latter I worry that society can be a bit too keen to frown on the socially incorrect.

    Having said all that, I don't see that there'd be anything wrong with pointing out to him that coming across as if he sees women first and foremost as something to have sex with does rather suggest an unpleasant, selfish emptiness that isn't very endearing.

  • He's apologised now: https://www.facebook.com/jgunn

  • He's apologised now: https://www.facebook.com/jgunn

  • I'm kind of in two minds about it. On the one hand, I'm not sure it necessarily affects his work as a director so why should he be barred from a job on those grounds? On the other, I don't remember Mel Gibson or Michael Richard getting a clean pass for using racist language. Is it okay for someone to use colossally sexist and homophobic language, even if they think it's a joke, but just to use the n word is career death? It seems to be a massive disparity

  • I'm kind of in two minds about it. On the one hand, I'm not sure it necessarily affects his work as a director so why should he be barred from a job on those grounds? On the other, I don't remember Mel Gibson or Michael Richard getting a clean pass for using racist language. Is it okay for someone to use colossally sexist and homophobic language, even if they think it's a joke, but just to use the n word is career death? It seems to be a massive disparity

  • it's not in the same league as Gibson, he's a genuine, rabid anti-semite.

    Saying something 'sucks' is a gay slur, as it comes from 'sucks dick'. Ignorance may not be an excuse, but when a kid says that on the internet he hasn't got the same hate in his heart as Gibson.

    Remember that white girl on Big Brother who said something like, 'you move nigga' and was ejected from the house? She used a word with obvious racial undertones in a rather innocent (albeit massively stupid) way. Does that mean she is racist? I don't think so.

  • it's not in the same league as Gibson, he's a genuine, rabid anti-semite.

    Saying something 'sucks' is a gay slur, as it comes from 'sucks dick'. Ignorance may not be an excuse, but when a kid says that on the internet he hasn't got the same hate in his heart as Gibson.

    Remember that white girl on Big Brother who said something like, 'you move nigga' and was ejected from the house? She used a word with obvious racial undertones in a rather innocent (albeit massively stupid) way. Does that mean she is racist? I don't think so.

  • And yet she was ejected from the house. I don't think anyone's been ejected from Big Brother for either sexism or homophobia, have they? And how about Michael Richards? Is he an at-heart racist or just someone who used the n-word but loves black people, really? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs

    Either way, his career bombed because of it in a way I don't think any well known stand-up or actor's has for either sexism or homophobia.

  • And yet she was ejected from the house. I don't think anyone's been ejected from Big Brother for either sexism or homophobia, have they? And how about Michael Richards? Is he an at-heart racist or just someone who used the n-word but loves black people, really? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs

    Either way, his career bombed because of it in a way I don't think any well known stand-up or actor's has for either sexism or homophobia.

  • Richard's career had bombed well before that 😉 He came across as very arrogant on the Seinfeld extras DVD.

  • Richard's career had bombed well before that 😉 He came across as very arrogant on the Seinfeld extras DVD.

  • Oh! Jim Davidson was booted off Hell's Kitchen for Homophobia. Now, he is genuinely sexist and homophobic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs

  • Oh! Jim Davidson was booted off Hell's Kitchen for Homophobia. Now, he is genuinely sexist and homophobic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs

  • To be fair, you'd come up with a reason to boot Jim Davidson off anything if you could: “wearing a loud shirt in a built up area”; “looking at me in a funny way.” It's also not hurt his career much either, since it had pretty much tanked by the end of the 80s when everyone realised that jokes about his pal 'Chalky White' weren't exactly the least racist in the world.

    Jim Davidson is the UK's Michael Richards: discuss.