As we all know, the new series of Torchwood is just around the corner. It starts in January in fact, maybe the 18th. The publicity machine is starting up in earnest and the interviews are being ground out in various media.
Top of the list of questions asked of the stars seems to be “Why do you think fans reacted so badly to the first series?” Now, I'm thinking of compiling the great big list of “Really Stupid Reasons Why People Who Like Torchwood Think People Who Don't Like Torchwood Don't Like It” aka The RSRWPWLTTPWDLTDLI List because I'm seeing loads of theories from people who loved Torchwood (or work on it) that don't at the very least square with my reasons and at the very worst seem to be utterly divorced from reality.
Torchwood seems to be the Marmite of television shows: you either love it or you hate it. However, my reasons for generally not liking Torchwood, bar the first episode, the PJ Hammond episode and a few towards the end, were:
- It was illogical, implausible and made no sense most of the time
- It wasn't big or clever but thought it was
- It was completely inconsistent even on its own terms, with people swearing like troopers in one episode and not swearing at all the next. See also point 4
- It had appalling characterisation, with a date rapist turning all sensitive the next episode before reverting back to form and Ianto trying to kill Jack for killing his girlfriend in one episode then having a timed wank off with him within the next couple of episodes
- The characters were mostly quite dull
- Some of the plots were a bit threadbare
- It seems to be written at times by people who have never spoken to other human beings
- It's supposed to be for adults, but it seems aimed at teenagers who have heard about this sex thing but haven't yet “done it”
I can enjoy a silly show, a fantasy show and all sorts of other shows. I just don't really enjoy appallingly badly written ones.
But already on The RSRWPWLTTPWDLTDLI List, we have some of the following reasons why most people don't like Torchwood
- They're alienated by the overt sexuality in the show (shag who you like, as often as you like - just shag them convincingly, I say. That's not over sexuality I see, though, that's just dialogue points on a demographics board)
- It's because it's not Doctor Who (in common with over 99% of other TV shows, quite a lot of which are better than Torchwood)
- The only people who don't like Torchwood are closed-minded and homophobic (see the first item on the list)
- They're jealous of the Range Rover (it's killing the planet)
As I said, I'm building a list, so if you've seen any really unconvincing arguments about why people might not like Torchwood, leave them below.
Equally, let us know why you love Torchwood, if you do. Fancying Ianto, Jack or whomever is a valid reason, although you're putting yourself through a lot of pain for the sake of love, my friend. If you talk about its excellent writing quality, however, I know two doctors licensed under section five of the Mental Health Act 1983 who'll want to have a word.




December 6, 2007 | Reply
Arguably, 'Doctor Who' dealt with the issue of sexuality better than 'Torchwood', as Jack's "openness" contrasted with the more narrow views of those around him. In 'Torchwood' it became a non-issue as conventional sexualities apparently ceased to exist.
The chance to show conflict between Jack's sexuality and 21st century attitudes was lost, as everybody was shagging everybody else.
December 6, 2007 | Reply
Hmm.
I disagree with the Marmite theory because I'm a Torchwood fan (*ducks to avoid flying books*), and I'm well aware that parts of the first series were truly dire. A lot of the writing is unrealistic, cringeworthy stuff. (An orgasm-fed alien? Come on!) And yes; it had the overall feeling of being stuck together with cellotape rather than having a cohesive finish.
But...I can't help it. I just like it, in spite of its flaws. There's Captain Jack Harkness and a huge underground base and some fantastic one-liners and pterodactyl, for God's sake. It's just so ridiculous and crazy and British that I warmed to it. I feel bad because I feel that I shouldn't warm to it; I loathe most programmes that other teenagers love, like so-called "reality" shows, yet I've been taken in by this particular project.
Plus...Jack and Ianto. I'm only human.
There have been a lot of reviews of the first episode in series two floating around, and from all accounts the makers were well aware of the problems and have tried to iron them out to make the second series flow better than the first. It sounds like a fantastic episode, from what I've read.
There, that's my unconvincing argument. Perhaps I'll rewatch it in ten years and despise it. At the moment, I appear to be using the, "I'm part of the demographic! I have an excuse!" calling card. Forgive me.
December 6, 2007 | Reply
P.S. January 16th.
December 6, 2007 | Reply
Ok I watched all of Torchwood and wanted it to be so excellent.. but some of those episodes where pretty awful.. I liked the pilot/first ep.. and the build up to the finale.. also the zombie/lost in the county ep.. however the orgasm powered alien (species anyone!) and the star villain/creature (man in large rubber head... not convincing!) really distracted me. It became hard to say it was good tv convincingly Also Jack and some of the others (GWEN!) have a good deal of raunch about them.. but some of the others..(Owen Gorman) as sexy as a lump of balsa.
I will watch the new series but hope we see better plots and let GWEN on OWEN romance (god please no more).
December 7, 2007 | Reply
I found it boring. Is that enough?
December 7, 2007 | Reply
Er, it was nicely lit...
December 7, 2007 | Reply
In retrospect, the better, later episodes didn't manage to wash the taste of Cyberwoman out of my mouth. At times, I found myself justifying watching the show by thinking: "Well, at least it's not as bad as the one with the alien shag machine at the moment."
When you're writing apologetics to yourself, that's not a good sign.
December 7, 2007 | Reply
Here's my 'summary' of what was wrong with Torchwood:
http://feelinglistless.blogspot.com/2006/12/review-2006_11.html
It just seemed to find very difficult things which the likes of Heroes do so effortlessly.
December 7, 2007 | Reply
I think the main reason I liked it was that it was shown leading up to christmas, and I tend to be very happy and in love with everything in the 'ber months. Hence the yearly 'X Factor' thing, which just wouldn't work for me in the spring. Hence I am lukewarm in my anticipation of the second series, even though I anticipate it will be a vast improvement. The early review I read of the first episode suggested that it finally finds it tone. Let's hope so.
December 7, 2007 | Reply
Badly written, laughingly plotted, woodenly acted, plus juvenile and desperate for attention - really Torchwood was just incompetent in so many different ways.
Oh, and happy birthday Rob
December 7, 2007 | Reply
[this is good] TW's first season felt like Star Trek: Voyager trying to be as deep as Deep Space Nine...you knew it had the ambition of the X-Files, but fit in perfectly well before The Two Ronnies.
December 7, 2007 | Reply
By the way, found this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qAVEHoKE9M
December 10, 2007 | Reply
The only character with any consistency was Toshiko, but that's only because they forgot to do anything with her in most of the epsiodes, so in the ones where she did actually do something useful, she was pretty consistent... oh, and Susie, but she was only in two episodes, and in one of those, she was dead.
I still have no idea who Ianto was supposed to be, what his job was supposed to be, what he was supposed to be like, or anything.
The thing with Torchwood was that it always had potential. And it always squandered it. Sometimes it was very, very entertaining squandering (Cybertits — sorry, Cyberwoman — was the funniest 45 minutes of television I'd seen for years, and the thought of a bottle of barbecue sauce and a pterodactyl still makes me grin); sometimes it was just awful. But even the best episodes needed a pair of Nerd Blinkers and a set of Stupid Goggles.
December 11, 2007 | Reply
"Sometimes it was very, very entertaining squandering (Cybertits — sorry, Cyberwoman — was the funniest 45 minutes of television I'd seen for years"
Sorry, I just spluttered at the screen. I somehow STILL manage to get some perverse pleasure out of that episode even - because?! - it was just so unbearably shitbeyondbelief. The Behind the Sofa podcase on that episode is one of my top played podcasts!